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Dónal Ó Murchú's avatar

I like the tied off peg. I suggested this to an experienced climber a couple of years ago and he had never heard of the technique. PS. We've all met Pat at one time or another 😜

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Andy Kirkpatrick's avatar

I've come across a lot of crappy pegs in my time, but it's surprising how strong the spine of a peg can be, even when it just looks like a rust stain (I remember a great rusty piton belay on Red Walls, Gogarth).

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Jason's avatar

I’d buy it. Though than thought how a second edition of your rope soloing book done more in your style from Down and Higher Education would be pretty sweet. Especially seeing a lot of the posts on the Facebook rope soloing page that makes me wonder how we ever made it as a species.

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Andy Kirkpatrick's avatar

Yes I'm slowly working towards redoing both Higher Education and MM&I, adding in more images and setting the text in the same way as in Down. I think I soloed El Cap twice more since I wrote MM&I and remember thinking of all the stuff I needed to add. Saying that, perhaps I just need to just integrate MM&I into Higher Education 2.0 (it's a shame when old books die though). And yes, the Facebook group scares the shit out of me!!!

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Christoffer Nordin's avatar

Great idea! I would really buy it.

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Jamie Evans's avatar

Great idea. Down in both iterations had become a main start in our club. A new generation is getting out!

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Andy Kirkpatrick's avatar

A few people have said that Down is not for novice climbers, but I tried to grade it so that the beginner would slowly learn more and more as they progressed through the book, but like most complex things, you could probably write down the basics on a post-it note!

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Gearnotes's avatar

I am unbelievably excited for this possibility, I'd love to see it. (incidentally, I teach people to build anchors for a living, and both the example diagrams are completely novel concepts for me)

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Andy Kirkpatrick's avatar

Thanks. When I started climbing you just made a belay with your climbing rope or a sling, but now you have cordelettes, quads, bunny ears, direct belays etc, which can make it all seem very confusing for climbers (although, really, there is no best way to build any belay, just a series of compromises).

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R.Neil Arsenault's avatar

Write it ! The life you save may be..... mine.

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Kircho Dunev's avatar

I can’t wait to get the book in my hands!

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Andy Eccleshall's avatar

"Down" was worth the wait and I would back this one too. There isn't anyone else creating these types of works, and it's valuable.

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Tim P's avatar

I think components of an anchor (carabiner, knot, pro etc) are like words in a vocabulary and I aim for eloquent anchors! Yep, got a few of your books now so will add this one to improve my vocabulary.

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Rab6t's avatar

Great idea. There’s an art to both building a belay and also belaying itself. Indoor, outdoor, multi pitch, sport, ice, trad and rope solo. With many transitioning from indoor to out the various techniques and tips are invaluable but also having a discipline around your mindset and the dangers of drifting off when ‘just belaying’. Found the Down book awesome.

Missing your great podcasts.... helped me get through lockdown 2 when I was aimlessly wandering about the streets of Edinburgh. 😀

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Gabriele's avatar

Really stoked about this one ! I loved Higher Education and Down, I think that something focused on belays would be really useful as the literature is quite complex and a little confused.

Knowing the strength and the nuances of different belays could be really valuable and save some lives

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ChrisA's avatar

I love the idea. Take my money. Please!

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Adrian Zelga's avatar

I really like that idea and will definetly keep a space on my bookshelf for it. Knowledge coming through experience is one of the most preciouse thing. You have got my support. Go for it.

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Jon Smith's avatar

Great idea

Let us know how to sign up

And to publicise the Kickstarter

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Andy Kirkpatrick's avatar

Thanks Jon, I'll have to include a Dalky belay, i.e. how to tie off a bush!

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Joe Bailey's avatar

I feel like this would be a great addition to down, belays have changed in recent years may to bolts in the populated climbing areas. Leaving a new climbing not knowing the difference between a marginal belay and strong belay. Problem solving for this and how to be safe while doing so can be big learning curves.

I Like it and I also appreciate your insights to social media, I would happily donate thru your website and even pass the info on to other friends todo the same.

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Andy Kirkpatrick's avatar

I've met a lot of super-strong climbers who have turned into gibbering novices as soon as they were faced with a natural belay. The result tends to be a very slow and over complex belay, where they dump in half their rack, or something marginal and not very well thought out.

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Tyson Singer's avatar

Having moved a few years back (to Europe from the US), I find now that mostly I end up on single pitch or bolted belays, and this is the same during the occasional trip to Yosemite. But I used to primarily climb in no-bolts allowed multi-pitch routes, including at the belays. Back then, I got to experience the pleasure of solving the puzzle of creating a safe belay, as well as the panic and frustration of coming to the end of a long pitch with a rack so depleted that my first thoughts were "Oops, we're f**ked!" It's something I miss.

I've read 5 of your books, so perhaps positively inclined to any suggestion of you writing another. So, keep that in mind with my feedback. But, in my experience, there must be a lot of good stories, filled with emotion and useful learnings, on how to manage the belay - whether it's how to turn a dicey situation into a safe one or manage through the risk. I'd love to hear your stories. This would fill in that gap in what I'm missing and inspire me to get back to the bolt free world.

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Andy Kirkpatrick's avatar

Yes, building belays and demonstrating some skill or mastery is always one of the best aspects of climbing, which I suppose is undertaking something high risk, and yet making it safe (a bit like hunting a tiger!).

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curt s sanders's avatar

Excellent idea Andy.. As thorough as you are it will sell, go for it. I will buy it.

Regarding Pat, made that same mistake too one time.. learned that lesson..

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mark gylby's avatar

Count me in.

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Tim Welsh's avatar

I'm in, tell us how we support you/it.

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johngo 6283's avatar

I love the idea. I think it's a doable project, and having a target number like 100 examples will help you stay focused and not spend too much of your life on it.

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Andy Kirkpatrick's avatar

My wife always rolls her eyes when I say "This book will be much easier and shorter to write than [insert last book title]" : )

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NeNi's avatar

I bought Down from kickstart project and i have anothers books writed by you...im already excited with this another project ... Go forward...

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Andy Kirkpatrick's avatar

Thanks. Yes, it's amazing how patient people were with Down!

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Hugh Thornbery's avatar

Andy I think that this is a great idea. There's a lot of stuff on Instagram and YouTube about various methods if belaying but what's missing is your perspective - they all assume that there are either two bomber placements to provide redundancy and security or there's more that can be stiched together. The missing bit is what if there's nothing there that you'd trust but you've run out of rope and you have to belay (or simul climb). I'd buy a copy.

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Andy Kirkpatrick's avatar

Yes Instagram has a lot of great belay content, but often it comes from guides, and so they often tend to focus on bomber belays, to begin with, plus it's much harder to demonstrate a trad belay that might have six pieces that are spread over several metres in an Instagram post (we also tend not to be thinking of Instagram when on a death belay!).

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Clive's avatar

I'll buy a copy

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Mads's avatar

I really like down so I am hopefully looking forward to another great addition to the series

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Marcus Williamson's avatar

I’d buy it. But then again, I’ve bought every book you’ve written and published I think. Go for it!

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Andy Kirkpatrick's avatar

Thanks Marcus, I hope the quality of the spelling/editing is slowly improving (I often find old emails and can't believe I ever made it this far as a writer!).

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Mark's avatar

Great idea, do it.

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Horas's avatar

Looks you found a new book...!! I really like the boundarys where you move (me, myself & I, higher education, down) so why not! Your ilustration skill clear the ideas, and your knowlege will help the comunity.

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Andy Kirkpatrick's avatar

Thanks. The drawing is a bit like climbing in that the easier it becomes, the harder you make it!

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Llew's avatar

Yep.

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Willem Verhaak's avatar

Given the fact that you could probably do a book on 1001 belays, I think a book covering the 100 most diverse belays in a detailed but concise manner is a really good idea! I'll buy it and support it in advance if necessary (as with Down on Kickstarter).

In other words, "SHUT UP AND AKE MY MONEY!!!"

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Andy Kirkpatrick's avatar

I'm working on being more concise!

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Alan Scowcroft's avatar

Loved Down, this sounds interesting.

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Dave Blower's avatar

Having a repository of knowledge/techniques is always valuable but... 100 belays? Might this end up being gnat’s whiskers ie so finely divided and potentially elaborate that the mental stamina demanded from the climber/reader will be too much? A few simple proven techniques seem to have kept most of us alive....

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Andy Kirkpatrick's avatar

Yes, I think we often make things more dangerous by throwing in lots of techniques that are really just showing off, the kinds of things that seem important on a forum, but less so on a cliff face.

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P K's avatar

Please reply to the e-mail sent to you regarding grass climbing. You're doing great stuff, keep it up!

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